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		<title>Comment on No Such Thing As Bad Press by RN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 01:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WBS wrote:
&quot;Regarding the review, you danced around an element that–to quote Raymond Chandler–is about as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a slice of angel food.&quot;
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&quot;All this critic really said in a very self-indulgent way was that he doesn’t like the concerto as a piece. Why should anyone care whether he likes it or not?&quot;

What&#039;s the alternative?  Ignore the piece as if it didn&#039;t happen?  Set aside what he thinks of the composition and simply evaluate whether the soloist was inspired or deeply committed?   How does he disrespect people who may like the piece by comparing it to a painful movie experience?  I am not familiar with torture porn or Gaspard Noe.  I have come out of a few concerts comparing some piece I&#039;d just heard to the more depressing works of Sarah Kane or other playwrights of the &#039;in-yer-face&#039; school only to be told in the morning review that it was all brilliant and wasn&#039;t I lucky to have been a part of it.  

On the rare occasion that my local paper publishes an even slightly less than glowing review, there will be angry commenters asking why the critic didn&#039;t mention that everybody else had loved it and given it a standing ovation.  

I read a few other reviews by that critic - he&#039;s  not uniformly condescending as the original post indicated.

http://www.theartsdesk.com/index.php?option=com_k2&amp;view=item&amp;id=2120:gerhaher-gustav-mahler-jugendorchester-blomstedt-rah&amp;Itemid=27
&quot;Yet again I leave a Herbert Blomstedt concert with a sense of wonderment and bemusement. Wonderment at the extraordinary music-making that this man is capable of. Bemusement as to why he is not better known, his talents not more widely recognised,...&quot;


http://www.theartsdesk.com/index.php?option=com_k2&amp;view=item&amp;id=2099:shaham-minnesota-orchestra-v%C3%A4nsk%C3%A4-rah&amp;Itemid=27
&quot;One could go through every marking and moment in this way, explaining why Vänskä is a cut above the rest:&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WBS wrote:<br />
&#8220;Regarding the review, you danced around an element that–to quote Raymond Chandler–is about as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a slice of angel food.&#8221;<br />
[...]<br />
&#8220;All this critic really said in a very self-indulgent way was that he doesn’t like the concerto as a piece. Why should anyone care whether he likes it or not?&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the alternative?  Ignore the piece as if it didn&#8217;t happen?  Set aside what he thinks of the composition and simply evaluate whether the soloist was inspired or deeply committed?   How does he disrespect people who may like the piece by comparing it to a painful movie experience?  I am not familiar with torture porn or Gaspard Noe.  I have come out of a few concerts comparing some piece I&#8217;d just heard to the more depressing works of Sarah Kane or other playwrights of the &#8216;in-yer-face&#8217; school only to be told in the morning review that it was all brilliant and wasn&#8217;t I lucky to have been a part of it.  </p>
<p>On the rare occasion that my local paper publishes an even slightly less than glowing review, there will be angry commenters asking why the critic didn&#8217;t mention that everybody else had loved it and given it a standing ovation.  </p>
<p>I read a few other reviews by that critic &#8211; he&#8217;s  not uniformly condescending as the original post indicated.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theartsdesk.com/index.php?option=com_k2&amp;view=item&amp;id=2120:gerhaher-gustav-mahler-jugendorchester-blomstedt-rah&amp;Itemid=27" rel="nofollow">http://www.theartsdesk.com/index.php?option=com_k2&amp;view=item&amp;id=2120:gerhaher-gustav-mahler-jugendorchester-blomstedt-rah&amp;Itemid=27</a><br />
&#8220;Yet again I leave a Herbert Blomstedt concert with a sense of wonderment and bemusement. Wonderment at the extraordinary music-making that this man is capable of. Bemusement as to why he is not better known, his talents not more widely recognised,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theartsdesk.com/index.php?option=com_k2&amp;view=item&amp;id=2099:shaham-minnesota-orchestra-v%C3%A4nsk%C3%A4-rah&amp;Itemid=27" rel="nofollow">http://www.theartsdesk.com/index.php?option=com_k2&amp;view=item&amp;id=2099:shaham-minnesota-orchestra-v%C3%A4nsk%C3%A4-rah&amp;Itemid=27</a><br />
&#8220;One could go through every marking and moment in this way, explaining why Vänskä is a cut above the rest:&#8221;</p>
<p>etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Such Thing As Bad Press by WBS</title>
		<link>http://insidetheclassics.myminnesotaorchestra.org/2010/09/no-such-thing-as-bad-press/comment-page-1/#comment-6249</link>
		<dc:creator>WBS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RN--
Regarding the review, you danced around an element that--to quote Raymond Chandler--is about as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a slice of angel food.  The reviewer dismisses the Shostakovich as &quot;torture porn,&quot; which is both offensive and stupid.  One doesn&#039;t have to like everything in the standard repertoire--I admit to avoiding concerts with Schumann or Tchaikovsky symphonies or early Mozart--but  there are serious people who like them a lot and deserve respect.  Critics shouldn&#039;t throw stuff like this around unless they display a lot more talent than this guy shows.  All this critic really said in a very self-indulgent way was that he doesn&#039;t like the concerto as a piece.  Why should anyone care whether he likes it or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RN&#8211;<br />
Regarding the review, you danced around an element that&#8211;to quote Raymond Chandler&#8211;is about as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a slice of angel food.  The reviewer dismisses the Shostakovich as &#8220;torture porn,&#8221; which is both offensive and stupid.  One doesn&#8217;t have to like everything in the standard repertoire&#8211;I admit to avoiding concerts with Schumann or Tchaikovsky symphonies or early Mozart&#8211;but  there are serious people who like them a lot and deserve respect.  Critics shouldn&#8217;t throw stuff like this around unless they display a lot more talent than this guy shows.  All this critic really said in a very self-indulgent way was that he doesn&#8217;t like the concerto as a piece.  Why should anyone care whether he likes it or not?</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Such Thing As Bad Press by RN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

&quot;RN, you’ll notice that I didn’t say anything about the critic’s description of the Bruckner&quot;
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&quot;If you re-read the post, you’ll see that my objection to this review wasn’t about anything written about Osmo or the orchestra, but about the author’s decision to completely dismiss everything but the Bruckner...&quot;

I reread the review and the critic gave a mixed notice to the overall performance including a technical analysis and a lot of context.  I don&#039;t know the Shostakovitch cello concerto but it is nails on a chalkboard to him. ( I found some recordings online including Han-Na Chang at the 2006 Proms and it didn&#039;t do much for me.)   What if he had simply not commented on it?  

&quot;...rants about composers long since welcomed into the canon ...&quot;

He disliked the cello concerto.  I didn&#039;t see anything there about hating Shostakovitch on general principles.  Besides, does it mean that anything that gets into the standard repertoire for whatever reason has to be at minimum liked and evaluated only on execution?  I try hard to switch out of any concert with Salonen or Adams pieces on the program - they&#039;re fairly common nowadays and very popular with some people.  I can&#039;t always do it and when I fail, the evenings have been compromised if not entirely shot-to-hell.  Regarding the Barber quip, &#039;juvenilia&#039; refers to something created in one&#039;s youth and applies, backhand and all, to his having written the piece at the age of 23.

&quot;By pretty much all other accounts, Alisa Weilerstein gave an inspired and deeply committed performance, &quot;

&#039;inspired&#039; and &#039;deeply committed&#039; leave me scratching my head.  I see them all the time in reviews and have no idea what they mean.  There&#039;s also an appeal to authority there, &#039;Well, the other critics liked it, why didn&#039;t you?&#039;

In summary - one critic disliked a part of the program and you&#039;ve summarily dismissed him as a condescending hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>&#8220;RN, you’ll notice that I didn’t say anything about the critic’s description of the Bruckner&#8221;<br />
&#8230;<br />
&#8220;If you re-read the post, you’ll see that my objection to this review wasn’t about anything written about Osmo or the orchestra, but about the author’s decision to completely dismiss everything but the Bruckner&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I reread the review and the critic gave a mixed notice to the overall performance including a technical analysis and a lot of context.  I don&#8217;t know the Shostakovitch cello concerto but it is nails on a chalkboard to him. ( I found some recordings online including Han-Na Chang at the 2006 Proms and it didn&#8217;t do much for me.)   What if he had simply not commented on it?  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;rants about composers long since welcomed into the canon &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>He disliked the cello concerto.  I didn&#8217;t see anything there about hating Shostakovitch on general principles.  Besides, does it mean that anything that gets into the standard repertoire for whatever reason has to be at minimum liked and evaluated only on execution?  I try hard to switch out of any concert with Salonen or Adams pieces on the program &#8211; they&#8217;re fairly common nowadays and very popular with some people.  I can&#8217;t always do it and when I fail, the evenings have been compromised if not entirely shot-to-hell.  Regarding the Barber quip, &#8216;juvenilia&#8217; refers to something created in one&#8217;s youth and applies, backhand and all, to his having written the piece at the age of 23.</p>
<p>&#8220;By pretty much all other accounts, Alisa Weilerstein gave an inspired and deeply committed performance, &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;inspired&#8217; and &#8216;deeply committed&#8217; leave me scratching my head.  I see them all the time in reviews and have no idea what they mean.  There&#8217;s also an appeal to authority there, &#8216;Well, the other critics liked it, why didn&#8217;t you?&#8217;</p>
<p>In summary &#8211; one critic disliked a part of the program and you&#8217;ve summarily dismissed him as a condescending hack.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Such Thing As Bad Press by Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sang with the BBC Symphony Chorus in Beethoven 9 with your orchestra and Osmo and really enjoyed the experience. We&#039;re largely used to being ignored in London for 9 months of the year. The critics only seem leave their dungeons en masse during the Proms. So don&#039;t believe that we suffer this way throughout the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sang with the BBC Symphony Chorus in Beethoven 9 with your orchestra and Osmo and really enjoyed the experience. We&#8217;re largely used to being ignored in London for 9 months of the year. The critics only seem leave their dungeons en masse during the Proms. So don&#8217;t believe that we suffer this way throughout the year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Such Thing As Bad Press by Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RN, you&#039;ll notice that I didn&#039;t say anything about the critic&#039;s description of the Bruckner. I also didn&#039;t say anything about what he thought of Osmo. You&#039;re right that I find Osmo to be one of the better conductors working today, but I think I&#039;ve also been pretty clear about the fact that he makes some controversial interpretive decisions, and I fully understand why not everyone appreciates them. Quite frankly, I wouldn&#039;t do much of Beethoven 9 the way he does it, but I think there&#039;s a difference between a conductor who offers up a mindless version of a piece, and one who goes with a musically defensible, but non-standard, interpretation. As for blind spots, I&#039;d say I have opinions, and I&#039;ve never argued that anyone else has to agree with them.

If you re-read the post, you&#039;ll see that my objection to this review wasn&#039;t about anything written about Osmo or the orchestra, but about the author&#039;s decision to completely dismiss everything &lt;i&gt;but&lt;/i&gt; the Bruckner on the grounds that the Barber was &quot;juvenilia&quot; (which it isn&#039;t) and the Shostakovich is &quot;torture porn&quot; (which is patently offensive.) By pretty much all other accounts, Alisa Weilerstein gave an inspired and deeply committed performance, and this guy decided that was irrelevant because he wanted to rant about the piece. Alisa deserved better, and childish rants about composers long since welcomed into the canon are beneath a serious critic - that&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RN, you&#8217;ll notice that I didn&#8217;t say anything about the critic&#8217;s description of the Bruckner. I also didn&#8217;t say anything about what he thought of Osmo. You&#8217;re right that I find Osmo to be one of the better conductors working today, but I think I&#8217;ve also been pretty clear about the fact that he makes some controversial interpretive decisions, and I fully understand why not everyone appreciates them. Quite frankly, I wouldn&#8217;t do much of Beethoven 9 the way he does it, but I think there&#8217;s a difference between a conductor who offers up a mindless version of a piece, and one who goes with a musically defensible, but non-standard, interpretation. As for blind spots, I&#8217;d say I have opinions, and I&#8217;ve never argued that anyone else has to agree with them.</p>
<p>If you re-read the post, you&#8217;ll see that my objection to this review wasn&#8217;t about anything written about Osmo or the orchestra, but about the author&#8217;s decision to completely dismiss everything <i>but</i> the Bruckner on the grounds that the Barber was &#8220;juvenilia&#8221; (which it isn&#8217;t) and the Shostakovich is &#8220;torture porn&#8221; (which is patently offensive.) By pretty much all other accounts, Alisa Weilerstein gave an inspired and deeply committed performance, and this guy decided that was irrelevant because he wanted to rant about the piece. Alisa deserved better, and childish rants about composers long since welcomed into the canon are beneath a serious critic &#8211; that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Such Thing As Bad Press by WBS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WBS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Critics who complain about standard repertoire should take a lesson from Michael Steinberg.  In his &quot;For the Love of Music&quot; he goes into some length describing what Rachmaninoff -- a compose some critics love to hate -- does right and why his music endures.  It is a bit late in the day to dismiss Shostakovich.  

i was disappointed that none of the critics really took the measure of Vanska&#039;s Bruckner, which really seems very different from any one else&#039;s.  I am still making my mind up about it.   The rather magisterial Time&#039;s critic noted that the orchestra&#039;s playing was not as free as with the Beethoven and that the Andante lagged, which were not unreasonable comments, but he didn&#039;t address the concept of the interpretation.

I am really tired of critics who complain simply that a performance is different from some other standard (Karajan, Ormandy, etc.).  Or make factual errors.  Or who lack the culture to put things into context.

With all of that, there was plenty of blurb material for promotions.  Other big orchestras (Berlin, Concertgebouw, Cleveland) also took some lumps in the UK, so it goes with the territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Critics who complain about standard repertoire should take a lesson from Michael Steinberg.  In his &#8220;For the Love of Music&#8221; he goes into some length describing what Rachmaninoff &#8212; a compose some critics love to hate &#8212; does right and why his music endures.  It is a bit late in the day to dismiss Shostakovich.  </p>
<p>i was disappointed that none of the critics really took the measure of Vanska&#8217;s Bruckner, which really seems very different from any one else&#8217;s.  I am still making my mind up about it.   The rather magisterial Time&#8217;s critic noted that the orchestra&#8217;s playing was not as free as with the Beethoven and that the Andante lagged, which were not unreasonable comments, but he didn&#8217;t address the concept of the interpretation.</p>
<p>I am really tired of critics who complain simply that a performance is different from some other standard (Karajan, Ormandy, etc.).  Or make factual errors.  Or who lack the culture to put things into context.</p>
<p>With all of that, there was plenty of blurb material for promotions.  Other big orchestras (Berlin, Concertgebouw, Cleveland) also took some lumps in the UK, so it goes with the territory.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Such Thing As Bad Press by RN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And second of all: shut up, dude&quot; ?

You protest too much.

I read the Arts Desk review to which you pointed.  The author had a lot to say about the performance.  Classy, boogie[ful], conductor looking beyond the score and &quot;going for it&quot; in the fourth movement unlike just about any other.  He didn&#039;t care for some fraction of the performance and/or the repertoire.  It happens.  I did get a feel for what was on his mind, a sense that he had looked at the score, and I have no idea whether the bad comments were due to him having a bad day or not.  We had a critic in Los Angeles, respected by many, who hated Brahms and Sibelius, yet went on assignment to hear them. 

Your writing and blogging have been some of the best I&#039;ve read over the past several years but you have  blind spots, especially with respect to Osmo V.  A lot of us in LA like Dudamel and the LA Phil but they got individually and jointly lit up on their recent U.S. tour.  It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And second of all: shut up, dude&#8221; ?</p>
<p>You protest too much.</p>
<p>I read the Arts Desk review to which you pointed.  The author had a lot to say about the performance.  Classy, boogie[ful], conductor looking beyond the score and &#8220;going for it&#8221; in the fourth movement unlike just about any other.  He didn&#8217;t care for some fraction of the performance and/or the repertoire.  It happens.  I did get a feel for what was on his mind, a sense that he had looked at the score, and I have no idea whether the bad comments were due to him having a bad day or not.  We had a critic in Los Angeles, respected by many, who hated Brahms and Sibelius, yet went on assignment to hear them. </p>
<p>Your writing and blogging have been some of the best I&#8217;ve read over the past several years but you have  blind spots, especially with respect to Osmo V.  A lot of us in LA like Dudamel and the LA Phil but they got individually and jointly lit up on their recent U.S. tour.  It happens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The right kind of intersection by gml4</title>
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		<dc:creator>gml4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!  Great find Sarah!

Here&#039;s what you could do... MN. Orchestra plays Elgar&#039;s Enigma, and you have a google search for the users old names and IDs and seek blog comments that could be flashed up in syncopation to the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome!  Great find Sarah!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what you could do&#8230; MN. Orchestra plays Elgar&#8217;s Enigma, and you have a google search for the users old names and IDs and seek blog comments that could be flashed up in syncopation to the music.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The right kind of intersection by Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool. Though I must say that my admiration at the project was less prominent than my interest in what the new owners of our old house have done with the landscaping, and the fact that the township has finally restriped the dangerous blind corner next to our lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool. Though I must say that my admiration at the project was less prominent than my interest in what the new owners of our old house have done with the landscaping, and the fact that the township has finally restriped the dangerous blind corner next to our lot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prom Prep by Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much, Annette! We had a great time at your wonderful hall - I heard several musicians after the concert puzzling over whether the Concertgebouw or Vienna&#039;s Musikverein truly has the best acoustic in the world. It&#039;s a rare treat to be able to play for such a sophisticated audience in such a uniquely beautiful space, and I hope we&#039;ll find our way back to you soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much, Annette! We had a great time at your wonderful hall &#8211; I heard several musicians after the concert puzzling over whether the Concertgebouw or Vienna&#8217;s Musikverein truly has the best acoustic in the world. It&#8217;s a rare treat to be able to play for such a sophisticated audience in such a uniquely beautiful space, and I hope we&#8217;ll find our way back to you soon&#8230;</p>
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